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Links to other sites - and a warning

 

Why not - once you have finished looking here - look at some of our favourite sites? But before you go, sign our guestbook, or leave a few words on our forum. The buttons are above. Do have a look on our forum, if nowhere else, as we use that to notify you of trips we intend to make, so if you need any particular markers for your collection, the forum may tell you when one of us may be able to pick some up for you.

NEW SITE WITH LOADS OF PICS OF BALL MARKERS http://ballmarkercollectorsclub.viviti.com

 

We now have a second site - not as dedicated as this one to ballmarkers, but full of golfing trivia, quirks and oddities. And some of it may even be true. The Jackdaws' Nest is where you will find all sorts of goodies. Click here to go there.

You can access the Britsh Golf Museum's site by clicking here.

For updates on the PGA Tour, click here

Find the latest news on the European Tour here

And the news from the Ladies' Tour, the LPGA, is here

For the latest golf news from the BBC, and links to other sites from there, click here

 

 

 

Caveat Emptor
 
Let the buyer beware. When is a marker, genuine or worthy of a place in your collection?................
 
...Opinions will of course vary. This is though something to be extremely mindful of when buying on line. For those on this site a marker is only considered worthy of a place in our collections, if it has been sold by a pro shop of the club that it represents.
 
Many on line listings have clearly not originated from a proshop, though some are more difficult to determine. Hence, 'Let the buyer beware.' A couple of recent listings were allegedly from golf clubs that do not, nor ever existed. Caveat Emptor indeed. This is one collector that won't be going within a 'click' of that on-line 'clowns' listing. That same seller, regularly lists what appears to be brand new product listings. Also beware, when that seller also doesn't or refuses to answer questions from a potential customer, as the aforementioned didn't!
 
One or two, final thoughts on this subject. If at all suspicious about a listing, ask for a quantity deal, say for 5 or 10 of a particular marker. If they reply quickly with a price, chances are that they know, or are the manufacturer of said item. You've stumbled upon a cottage industry!  Remember, if on ebay they are listing it for 99p-whilst that may seem a bargain, they still have to pay listing costs, paypal commission and final selling fees, adding up to between 55p and £1 a marker. depending on selling price of item. All things considered that doesn't leave much in it to pay for the item, does it? Chances are its a cheap copy, very 'hot,' or the seller likes loosing money. But why, then are they listings dozens of similar items?...or have we found that cottage industry, turning out copies! CAVEAT EMPTOR
 
A possible solution to this dilemma is to join this group of Ball Marker Collectors on this site. We swap with each other, safe in the knowledge that all markers have been purchased by fellow group members from golf pro shops at the course to which they refer. Phil
 
The Jackdaws Golfers & Ball Marker Collectors Society recommends the following sources for buying genuine Ball Markers:
 
*    Golf Club Pro shops
*    Golf Club Secretaries
*    Jackdaws mentioned on this site
*    Certain ebay suppliers who have traded for some time and who are well known to us, for example
    -    John Bole ebay handle bolesbhoy
    -    Neil Thomson ebay handle bluetoon1891
    -    Carl Withnall ebay handle carlosjoiner
 
Whilst there are others who occasionally offer genuine markers, others market cheap copies. If you would like a 'second opinion' drop any one of us a note and we will offer a 'without prejudice' view based on our experience as collectors over a number of years.   
 

Welcome...

Hello and welcome to the homepage of The Jackdaws, a band of trustworthy souls dedicated to the gentle pursuit of collecting golf ballmarkers. We sincerely hope that you enjoy your time here, and you are more than welcome to seek to join our motley but happy crew. It was  one of our former number who first described us as The Jackdaws, due to our habit of collecting all things shiny.

    STOP PRESS Jackdaws GOLF & Marker SWAP MEET 2/3 September

As a visitor to this site, I am pleased to invite you to the JACKDAW's GOLF & SWAP meet, an ideal opportunity to meet some fellow collectors, enjoy some friendly team golf competition and have the chance to Buy, Sell, or Swap markers in what is always a pleaseurable event.  The  Autumn 'get together' will be at Morley Hayes on Thursday & Friday 2/3 September. I do sincerely hope that you will be able to join us there.
 
For details of  what Morley Hayes has to offer click on www.morleyhayes.com/golf.asp
 
 
In an effort to be as flexible as possible we are offering attendees the choice of the following options:
 
Option 1        One Night Dinner, Bed & Breakfast,
                    2 Rounds of Golf (approx 1200 and 1000),
                    Swap meet
                    Full use of Leisure facilities
                    GOLFERS PRICE £109 BASED ON TWO SHARING A ROOM. (Single Room Supp. £25)
 
Option 2    Join us for Golf on Thursday, the post golf swap meet and Dinner for just £47.50
 
Option 3    For those just wishing to attend for the swap meet. CALL ME (01 480 471901) FOR DETAILS 
 
We have a number of rooms reserved awaiting deposits. To ensure we get the rooms and tee times we prefer, please send me your deposits within the next 3 weeks. For those wishing to attend, please send me a deposit cheque as follows:
 
Option 1   £30 deposit cheque made payable to Your Golf Travel.com
 
Option 2    £10 deposit cheque made payable to Phil Kingham
 
In the unlikely event that the meeting is cancelled, cheque's will be returned.
 
 
Any questions please ring or email me.
 
 
 

Who are we?

Just a few chaps who have something in common, namely that we all collect golf ballmarkers. We meet up now and again to have chat, swap markers and play a game of golf to work up a thirst for drinking beer. To prove we are not too abnormal, we have put some photos on this site, and you can access them by using the button above.

We are all club golfers, of various standards, and enthusiastic collectors who are keen to hear from you whether you are an established collector yourself or totally new to the hobby. We are happy to exchange markers with you on a one-off basis, or more regularly. Even if you have just a few markers from courses local to you, they could well form the basis of a fruitful relationship. Likewise if your work takes you to various parts of the country, so that you might be able to call into certain golf clubs to pick up a marker or two.

By all means get in touch and see what we can offer each other.  E-mail to mark.oakley9@btinternet.com and we will get back to you as soon as we can.

Thus far we are a few in number. We are;

Arthur is our man in Nottinghamshire. He lives on the borders of Notts., Lincs and Yorkshire and has played golf for 40 years, attaining a handicap of 4 for many years.  He was captain of his club - Serlby Park - in 1995 and now plays off 7.  Arthur's wife also plays golf off a handicap of 11.  He also likes fishing and birdwatching. He started collecting markers from courses which he had played amounting to more than 500, both home and abroad.  He would like to collect markers from all over the world, especially small brass ones which he prefers to the modern markers.
 

Brian lives in Southampton.  He has been retired for about 2 years. He started collecting ballmarkers about 4 1/2 years ago, but went through a period about a year ago when he nearly gave it up. There was not much happening in the way of new collectors or much in the way of markers for 'auction'. He put some markers on eBay to sell when he was contacted by Phil, who asked if he was interested in joining the group to give another outlet in both directions. Brian gave it a go and got the interest back. His collection is made up from all counties. He has a good collection of Irish and Scottish markers, and also has collections of Centenary and Royal markers. US Masters, and general Bitish ones.

Mark is our Norfolk representative, who started collecting in 2007 mainly to try to keep his son, Sam, interested in golf. Sam's interest in golf has, of late, taken a back seat while he chases girls, though he still keeps his interest in markers and eagerly looks forward to getting new ones. Mark has however now been bitten by the bug himself, and he and Sam collect not only GB markers, but foreign ones as well. Mark is a keen golfer, his current handicap being 11. Mark's home club is Wensum Valley, which hosts one of the Europro Tour events each year. Other interests include darts and motor cycling. Mark retired from the legal profession in 1999.

Martin is a Lincolnshire man. He is retired (but not yet retiring age). He plays his golf at Kenwick Park which is a fine golf course just outside Louth in Lincolnshire. Kenwick Park is a relatively new golf course as it was opened in 1992 and stands on the eastern side of the Lincolnshire Wolds in an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty. It is a tight golf course with tree lined fairways and many water hazards. Martin started to collect golf ball markers about three years ago and has just over 2000 markers. Just over 1000 of these markers are from different golf clubs in England, with 120 from Ireland, 60 from Wales, but the pride of his collection is the 409 different golf club markers he has from Scotland. Scotland is the home of golf and Martin tries to make at least a couple of trips every year to play different courses. He believes there to be about 530 courses of nine holes or longer in Scotland and currently there are over 100 that don't have their own ball marker so there are not many more to collect. The rest of Martin's collection is made up of markers for the four "majors".

 

Mick lives in Kettering. He taught RMT (Woodwork/Metalwork etc.) in Corby for 35 years, before he took early retirement in 1998 but he is still teaching 3 days a week in a special needs school in Wellingborough. He teaches 3 days a week and play golf 2 days a week (not bad). Mick took up golf in the late 60’s, and was a member of Royal Cromer, but gave up golf in the late 70’s when his second child arrived. He has played on and off ever since, but very irregularly. He started playing regularly again in about 2006. He is a member of Pytchley Lodge Golf Club (handicap 25), but play mainly at Priors Hall, Corby. He plays each month with a golfing society called Pitchmark, playing courses mainly in the Lincolnshire, Cambridgeshire and Northants area. Like most of us, Mick used to collect ballmarkers as mementos of courses he had played, and started buying off E-bay concentrating on courses he had played but did not have markers for, Royal courses and Ryder Cup markers. Having bought a number of markers from Phil, he got an e-mail suggesting he was a bit of a “Jackdaw”. After initially declining the invitation to join, he attended the meet at Abbotsley, enjoyed the company and the event and have taken it from there.


Phil's home patch is Cambridgeshire though his home is St Neots close to the A1 North/South or the A428 East/West, so he gets about and can pick up a number of markers within 30 minutes or so. Beds/Cambs/Northants/West Herts. He is semi retired and when he does work he makes sure he passes/stops at a few golf courses to pick up markers! His golf game/handicap is  currently in the doldrums 13.6 though it was down to 11, quite recently. Phil is an ex Captain of a local club. Despite his poor golf of late, he loves the game & also loves collecting ball markers from GB&I, plus Spain, France, Portugal and Myrtle Beach. He is particularly keen on Centenaries at present, though if it's 'bright and shiny', he is always interested.

Roger is like Martin based in Lincolnshire and in fact plays at the same course Kenwick Park. He takes great pride in having recently beaten Martin into second place to win the Past Captains Trophy for 2008. Roger has been collecting markers for several years now and his collection of just over 2000 are mounted on display boards in his utility room - his wife is a non golfer! Roger is a member of The British Golf Collectors Society within which members' activities, apart from playing in Hickory Club Championships, include collecting anything relating to golf from markers to spoons to postcards to putters.

 

 

 

If you are interested in joining us, on whatever type of basis, send a message to one of the links above.

 

ARE YOU LOOKING FOR ANY PARTICULAR MARKERS?

If so, contact us, and we may well be able to help you. As you will have seen from the above, we cover great parts of the country, so can often pick up odd markers for people who need them. Also, try looking on our forum, as we will be posting notices there in advance of trips to different parts of the country and different courses.

 

Centenary Review

 
 
Collecting Centenary markers is becoming increasing popular. My view is that this trend will continue and here is a collector's view on WHY..
 
I collect them as they are generally more colourful and more ornate, probably because their issue is one of celebration. The club is looking to make a statement to the rest of the golf world as to their status and position in it.
 
Golf history is  fundamental and integral to our love of the game.The thought that over the previous 100 years enthusiasts have enjoyed their golf on this course or one nearby, using a vast array of different equipment whether hickory,graphite, carbon or graphite shafts. Persimmon,steel or titanium heads, is breathtaking. How many Gutties, Silvertowns, Goblins, Spaldings ,Dunlop 65 and Titleists have deserted their owners on those last crucial holes of that medal round?  To say nothing of those fashions...plus twos, plus fours, jackets and ties on the course and in the club house. Faldo jumpers and a vast array of 'No Dads' and not just on Boxing Day!
 
Little wonder I have been known to glaze over when picking up a new Centenary marker for the first time.
 
The oldest Centenary marker that I know of is Gullane 1982. Like many early Scottish Centenary markers it does not say Centenary on it and features the year the club was founded but it was issued in 1982. This can be confusing. The earliest Centenary marker that I have and it does 'what is says on the marker' is Royal Lytham & St Annes Centenary Year 1886-1986 closely followed by its Royal cousin from Ashdown Forest 1888-1988. If you have an earlier one, I would love to hear from you, as being a bit of an 'anorak', I'm trying to put together a listing of bona fida issues.
 
Of course the Daddy of them all, certainly from an English perspective is Royal Blackheath, having just released in 2008 a marker celebrating 400 years of golf being played on the Heath!  If you are quick you might still be able to pick up a marker. Though I must confess this collector was a little disappointed with their efforts compared to other issues in recent times. It does not stand out from the crowd, as I had hoped it would.
 
 
Jackdaw BMCS Centenary  Ballmarker awards 2009:
 
 Highly Recommended:
 
Coin Marker- Murcar Links (Double Sided)
Stem Marker- Mid Kent GC
 
 Most Cherished/ Hardest to Acquire:
 
Troon St Meddans (Only issued to Members)
 
 Least Favourite/Could & should do better:
 
Coin Marker- Mold GC
Stem Marker- Parkstone GC
 
Collectors on this site have a few spare award winning Centenary markers from 2009, so if you haven't yet got your hands on one, do get in touch. We also have a limited supply of most other 2009 issues, which we believe were those below. If we have missed any, please get in touch and if you disagree with our selections and award winners, advise us of the errors of our ways. Kinghamphil@aol.com 
 
 
Great Britain and Irish clubs that issued Centenary markers in 2009 were:
 
England:  Arcott Hall, Arkley, Brampton(Talkin Tarn), Cowes, Denton,Douglas, Filton, Greenway Hall, Hickleton, Kidderminster, Lydney, Mid Kent, Moortown, Northamptonshire County, Parkstone, Pike Fold, Radcliffe on Trent, Ringway, Runcorn, Rushcliffe,Scarborough North Cliff, Sheerness, Stoke Park, Temple,  Torquay, Walmer & Kingsdown, West Hill, Weymouth,Withernsea
 
Ireland:  Charleville,  Laytown & Bettystown, Strabane
 
Scotland:  Elderslie, Hopeman,Loudoun, Murcar, Pitlochry,  Tarbat, Troon (St Meddans)
 
Wales:  Royal Town of Carnarfon
 
 If you would like to pen a response to this article or contribute something on this or any other subject relating to ball markers then please contact me at Kinghamphil@aol.com .
 
 


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